PES Manifesto

1. WHAT A PITY THAT THE PSE IS NOT SO COURAGEOUS TO BACK ITS IDEAS par parkus10 le mardi 15 juillet 2008 à 22h31

The PSE must promote The International Convention on the Protection of The Rights of All Immigrant Workers and Members of Thier Family at once:

http://portal.unesco.org/shs/en/ev.php-URL_ID=1513&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

MJS FRANCE, AUBE ( 10 )

2. Immigration - towards an European migration policy par Wilfried1 le mercredi 16 juillet 2008 à 09h43

Immigration is  a rapidly growing area of concern to the extend that many citizens are, deeply inside, experiencing immigration as a thread in their way of life. This for a number of reasons, whether or not justified or substantiated by facts or events.

Being a non-politician, I am not convinced that "immigration" has the same meaning to everybody. There are the notions:  legal immigration - illegal immigration - political immigration - economical immigration. How do these terms relate?

In its most narrow perception: Immigration refers to the movement of people between countries. While the movement of people has existed throughout human history at various levels, modern immigration implies long-term permenant residence.

With an open mind for immigration,  I personally feel there is a difference of opinion if for example two "illegal" immigrants, both from third world countries, one being a highly qualified  civil engineer with exceptional skills,  and the other one being a low profile citizen, will be allowed to immigrate into an E.U. country, based on economical immigration. (in other words, the first one is 'benificial' the other one is not). Ethical considerations will most likely state that there can be no distinction between the two. Yet, it is commonly known  that the reality is different.

Other burning question is that if the civil engineer  is "encouraged "to immigrate in order better accommodate our  Western needs  for skilled professionals , how will that effect the futher and future development of his country of origin?      

How many immigrants can a country absorb before it effects security and stabilisation?

In my opinion, on the long term, there is only one good solution to remedy immigration. We must contribute to and invest more in the development of such underdevelopped countries. How this can be achieved will need in depth coordination with and cooperation from the countries involved, and with respect of each others culture.

3. Backing ideas? par together le mercredi 16 juillet 2008 à 17h01

Dear Parkus10,

I do not really understand your comment and the link you are refering to. The PES/PSE never did put into question any international conventions and the rights of immigrant workers. You must have confused something. If not, please specify where exactly the PES/PSE ever stated the contrary.

Thanks! 

4. to TOGETHER par parkus10 le mercredi 16 juillet 2008 à 19h41

I am just asking the PES/PSE to promote and to ask all europian countries to ratify the International Migration Convention because none of the europain countries didn t ratify this treaty which will answer to the immigration issue and I repeat again by saying that it s a pity that some PES members voted for the Outrageous Directive.

 Thnaks for your comprhension!

5. Migrations... are you sure people wants migrate? par quemalfuncionaesto le jeudi 17 juillet 2008 à 22h48

Once upon Avon... there was many people living happy in their own countries, The Europeans, went to their countries and call them uncivilised because they just have had a different culture. We, -our ancestors- the Europeans went there, taked them out from their houses and forced them to adopt our costumes and our behaviour in the name of "God", of course of the Europeans God, not the native God - Gods.

Now, a lot of years after, they use our language, pray to a supposed existing God, use suit and tie and live in big buildings, moving with cars, looking for money and more money to live as the Europeans (and now as the Americans -USA-), in the name of progress.

They have had many things in their countries (metals, petrol, copra, fish...) that we need for our life style, to make more things that we think we need and we go to their countries and as now are not interested as slaves, we just pay a bunch of money to a corrupted Authority and we take all the materials that we want from their countries. Does not matter if we finish all their fish, or to extract metals we contaminate and deforest millions and millions of square meters. If they are hungry because no trees=no rain... it doesn’t matter because we payed for that, our money was in the.... who knows.... account and we can go next Sunday to pray in the church and give some money to the missioners to try to said our heart "shut up". For those things, we organize wars, wars between them to have the control of some things we want (diamonds, coltan...), be the “owners” of the resources, and have much money even less than one per ten thousand of the real profits that the company has. Other times we look for estrange reasons to bomb their countries and destroy their lives because we want their petrol. Dirty oil that we need to move from place to place in cheap flights or using the car to go to the corner to buy the newspaper on Sunday. Than bloody oil and the use we do of it is the responsible of the global warming. 

Global warming... it does not matter, we have resources in our rich countries to put some walls in the beach and we can go to the swimming pool. We can do beaches in the top of the mountains and ice camps in the hottest south of Europe... because "everybody has the rights to develop...”

Well.... it happened, now we can’t make a law to forbid the religious missioners to go to "poor" countries to convince the natives that we, the white Europeans - and USA- are better than them and they need to be our slaves.

Now... we cannot try to say that people that they need to be back to the forest because their culture is a real culture with the same importance that ours.

Now... we can try to preserve their languages... even in mp3 to use in the future in the museums...

Now... They need money to buy our products, and consume

Now.... They need cars, satellite dish TV, fashion clothes, go discos....

Now... They need money, much money to live as we said them that they must to live.

They need to buy chemicals for their vegetables, they need oil for their cars and...

Well... I think you know what I am talking about...

Then....

What is going to be the solution?

Of course, we can forbid them to come to our rich countries to try to get some money to try to live as we do. Of course, we can send more money to their countries to help the corrupted politicals to be richer and make more visible and high the distance between class, between rich and poor...

However,...

I want to suggest something.

Don´t send more money and more humanitarian help (except in disasters). Permit them to live, to survive with dignity.

Stop to give money to NGOs, which just do assistantial help, many times in the name of their God with the money of us all. If they want to promote their faith, they can do it... with their own money. 

Micro credits works, improve it.

Do you want to stop migrants... give them a good life in their own country.

If a country wants to kill them in the name of God because they are gay....The solution is not pay to the government of that country to stop them in the border (and... at the time... kill them there because their sexual option) . Just force that country to respect the human rights and if not... just a block a real and hard blocking, no materials can leave that country and if something is necessary with big importation taxes, which will move the importation companies to buy in other countries, more open.

If a country promotes inter-racial wars or genocides.... Block them, economically, politically... in all senses.

If a country destroys the environment... block it.... (Well... may be we need to block ourselves too).

We have the money, and then we have the power.

That does not sound very good, and less in the fingers of an activist... but... unfortunally is true.

We need to help the self-development of those countries.

For that reason, I propose:

 - With EU founds -even administrate by the member states, regional or local governments, or NGOs- cannot be payed any service, work, consult, or spend a cent in a company which:

        1) Discriminate workers (gay, lesbian, bisexuals, transsexuals, women, immigrants, black people, handicapped, elderly....) or with their normal work can discriminate this or other minorities. 

        2) Sub-contract or has important commercial relationships with companies, which discriminate minorities. 

        3) Their commercial relationships promote the poverty or damage the environment in other countries, especially in 3td world.

        4) do bad "praxis" in their commercial relationships with other countries (give for free baby powder milk to recent mothers but not in enough quantity to feed the kid, just enough until the mother tits are dry, and then they need to buy more powder milk or the baby will die)(deforest million of miles to feed cows which will finish being burgers)....

Give economical support or reduce taxes to companies that invest in that tirth world countries, specially to small companies which paying good salaries send a part of their production to those countries. We are in a globalize world and it means we can produce parts of any component in different places. Why not to produce in each small village or smaller group of 4houses in the middle of the dessert some components (normally small pieces because then the transport to our factories will be more environmental friendly) taking care no intermediate, no any person or company will be in the middle and the payment will be done directly to that persons as their own salary. Is complicated to do because corruption, but... probably the experts will find the system to guarantee that.

Promote direct sells and direct import of small amounts of products of their countries. If we take out the intermediate people and companies, the price that the final consumer will pay, would be cheaper and the money that the producer receives would be more.

 At least in the contracts of materials, services, constructions or anything payed with the EU money needs to be guaranties that the companies are "clean companies" civil and environmental friendly, respecting the human rights and working for that.

The economical help of the EU to those companies will be much cheaper than the "Frontex" or to pay planes to return illegal immigrants. Companies which open schools (not religious) or protect or develop forest, which clean waters or do any other thing in the 2td world countries not only can receive some money from us, from the EU citizens -we pay the taxes- if not that companies can have much more publicity and better image which will put them in better position under the final consumer eyes.

And a NGO register, which will be able to be inscribed all not religious charities and when a charity is inscribed in that register -and checked - the companies donations will have a big tax refund, will help the small companies which wants to collaborate but have no contacts or can’t do it directly, they could help so just with their money and the real NGO will take care and promote that activities, supervising it.

Finally, I want to said, that the Mediterranean Foundation we decided to organize in order of collaborate between activists of the south of Europe (from Portugal to the Danube) is so going to work in that direction.