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    <title>The Spanish experience by capelo</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/595/#comment730</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree that Roma people need to be supported by the european institutions, primarily those of Rumania. Let me propose you the experience and effort that spanish people have done (both romani and not romani - gitanos y payos we say) during the last three decades. Although the problem of <span class="q">marginalization is not </span>completely resolved for everyone, from around 600.000 spanish gypsies, more than 60% live in their own&nbsp;houses,&nbsp;mixed with the rest of spaniards. Moreover, we all acknowledge and admire&nbsp;their important contribution to the spanish music, dance and culture. </p>]]></description>
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    <title>Well done! by desmondotoole</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/594/#comment729</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rikke, a very useful blog about using Facebook (amongst other Web2 tools). We have just established PES Activists Dublin here in Ireland and we&nbsp;quickly developed a Facebook presence. The immediate result was a rise in membership of our PES group. But you're right to point out that in common with analogue campaigning, on-line campaigning is hard work too! Regards ... Desmond O'Toole.</p>]]></description>
    <author>desmondotoole</author>
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    <title>Yes, definitely by rikkeindenmark</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/595/#comment728</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree , Victor - we really need to deal with the Roma issue! I think your last bullet - informing people in Europe about the Romas and their culture - is very, very important. I've lived in several European cities and have met Roma - and prejudices against Roma - in all of them.&nbsp; People need to be better informed to truly understand the problems that Romas face. </p><p>See you in Vienna! </p>]]></description>
    <author>rikkeindenmark</author>
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    <title>Soon in Vienna by rikkeindenmark</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/594/#comment727</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[Hi Kim, nice to hear from you and thanks for your kind comment. I look very much forward to seeing you and all the other PES activists in Vienna!&nbsp; :-) ]]></description>
    <author>rikkeindenmark</author>
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    <title>great workshop by kim</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/594/#comment726</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Rikke</p><p>nice to heare that you will be doing a workshop. </p><p>It is indeed very important that PES activist learn to use the internet for campaigning. Whit the EU election we will face a different campaign across borders, and learning to use internet and other new sources is very usefull. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I will try to go to your workshop, looking forword of seeing you again</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>kim</p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]></description>
    <author>kim</author>
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    <title>Work work work by rikkeindenmark</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/594/#comment725</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[Hej J&oslash;rgen, tak for din positive kommentar. Yes, we do need to help our candidates with online campaigning. It's a lot of work to maintain social network profiles - and stay active and visible in the networks. Social networking is often talked about as being 'easy marketing', since your connections are&nbsp;expected to spread the word for you. But it really takes a lot of effort getting to the stage where the campaign runs by itself! It's not enough just being online... &nbsp;]]></description>
    <author>rikkeindenmark</author>
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    <title>Taking online campaigning seriously by toldsted</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/594/#comment724</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<span>Dear Rikke</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>Thanks for a good blog on a very important issue.</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>This will probably be the most important political channel of communication in the very near future - also in Europe.</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>We will have to help our candidates with this. Especially I think they need help on how regularly update their sites in an easy ways - e.g. with Jaiku.</span> <p>Regards J&oslash;rgen</p>]]></description>
    <author>toldsted</author>
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    <title>lui? by Maitresinh</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/574/#comment718</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>Le candidat de Dany c'est..lui ?</p><p>En tout cas, pour les verts, et pour l'europe, &ccedil;a pimenterait bien le d&eacute;bat...avec peut etre l'assurance d'intersser davantage les citoyens, comme j'en revais a vois haute dans un article de mon blog.</p><p>Mais ce sont la des bonnes nouvelles...&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]></description>
    <author>Maitresinh</author>
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    <title>les verts sont pour by jbdivry</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/574/#comment717</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>Daniel Cohn Bendit a affirm&eacute; qu'il &eacute;tait pour samedi dernier &agrave; lyon, &agrave; l'occasion des 2e Etats G&eacute;n&eacute;raux de l'Europe lors de la s&eacute;ance pleini&egrave;re de cl&ocirc;ture. J'&eacute;tais l&agrave;</p><p>Je pense qu'il a une id&eacute;e de qui pourrait &ecirc;tre le candidat des verts ...</p><p>pour le Modem il faudrait obtenir le soutien de Quitterie et du G&eacute;n&eacute;ral Mourillon.</p><p>De toute fa&ccedil;on si le PSE adopte l'id&eacute;e du chef de file, t&ecirc;te de liste et l'id&eacute;e de J Delors dans une plateforme programatique, le message serait fort et clair.</p>]]></description>
    <author>jbdivry</author>
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    <title>:) by Maitresinh</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/555/#comment716</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;</p><p> aujourd'hui, voila le schema</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>1- Peuple -&gt; parlement</p><p>2- Parlement -&gt; president</p><p>3- le conseil fait ce qu'il veut </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Dans l'optique de Delors :</p><p>Peuple -&gt; parlement -&gt; president =  le conseil doit accepter la volont&eacute; populaire dont le parlement est le representant !</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>J'espere que les socialistes feront avancer cette id&eacute;e, car elle est simple et ne depend que de eux !</p><p>Pas de negociations interetatiques, de reformes compliqu&eacute;es, de referendums a risques.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>il suffit de prendre le pouvoir la oui il est. </p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]></description>
    <author>Maitresinh</author>
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    <title>necessaire.... by Maitresinh</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/574/#comment715</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;</p><p>&ccedil;a me parait necessaire dans la mesure ou si le PSE est le seul &agrave; presenter un candidat...cela perd tout son sens.</p><p>on ne peu presenter tout seul &quot;son candidat&quot;, mais cela n'aura pas le meme impact que si tous les partis s'y mettent. Dans ce cas, a l'echelle de l'europe, l'id&eacute;e s'imposera de facto et mettra le Conseil au pied du mur !&nbsp;</p>]]></description>
    <author>Maitresinh</author>
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    <title>Question bête by Martin2</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/574/#comment714</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>Pourquoi est-il n&eacute;cessaire de s'assurer que les autres partis fassent la m&ecirc;me chose pour que le PSE d&eacute;signe un &quot;chef de file&quot;? </p>]]></description>
    <author>Martin2</author>
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    <title>Concluons :) by Martin2</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/555/#comment713</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[Je suis tout &agrave; fait d'accord avec &ccedil;a. J'avais juste lu tr&egrave;s vite ton texte, et j'avais cru qu'il pouvait d&eacute;boucher sur une &eacute;lection au suffrage universel direct de pr&eacute;sident de la commission. Bref, comment peut-on agir rapidement pour que ce sujet soit en d&eacute;bat au ocngr&egrave;s du PS, dans les autres partis sociax-d&eacute;mocrates? (voir &agrave; ce sujet une autre discussion entam&eacute;e sur la contribution &quot;pour un visage &agrave; l'UE&quot;.)]]></description>
    <author>Martin2</author>
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    <title>Sorry by Maitresinh</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/555/#comment712</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>D&eacute;sol&eacute; Martin, mon ironie n'etait pas destin&eacute; a t'offenser.</p><p>Je m'excuse sincerement si c'est le cas.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Pour revenir au sujet, je ne vois pas ou est le &quot;danger&quot;.</p><p>C'est toujours le parlement qui elit le president de la Commission, sauf qu'il tirera une legimit&eacute; supplementaire a presenter ce choix au peuple lors des elections.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Dans tous les cas, si dangers ils y avaient ( je ne vois pas encore lesquels), les benefices d'une telle mesure pour la d&eacute;mocratie europeenne me paraissent difficile a egaler. </p>]]></description>
    <author>Maitresinh</author>
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    <title>L'ironie ne suffit pas by Martin2</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/555/#comment711</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>Ton ironie &agrave; propos des grands dangers ne me parait ni adapt&eacute; ni contructive. Abandonne l&agrave; si tu veux que nous puission discuter s&eacute;rieusement et d'une fa&ccedil;on constructive de l'Europe.</p><p> S'il s'agit de faire &eacute;lire le pr&eacute;sident de la commission par la majorit&eacute; du Parlement, alors oui je suis d'accord. </p>]]></description>
    <author>Martin2</author>
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    <title>oui mais... by Maitresinh</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/574/#comment710</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>Je vois que l'id&eacute;e de Delors fait son chemin...meme si le temps, les habitudes et la complexit&eacute; jouent contre. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Mais je vous rappelle que pour fonctionner , il est indispensable que les autres partis ( PPE, Modem, Verts et peut etre european left) en fassent autant.</p><p>Cela necessite une sorte d'union sacr&eacute;e des parlementaires, ou du moins une initiative volontariste de tous les partis (pro) Europeens.Cela depasse donc la demarche partisanne du seul PSE.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Quelqu'un sait ce qu'il est en chez les &quot;autres&quot; ?</p><p>Des initiatives et des contacts dans ce sens ? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]></description>
    <author>Maitresinh</author>
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    <title>Yougns a ready for a EU president by Maitresinh</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/581/#comment709</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>You want young people to vote ?</p><p>I agree. You just need to give the EU Parliament a real power !</p><p>by making the parties choose a &quot;candidate president&quot; for Europe.</p><p>We will both get a true european debate, and a reason to vote for a real parliament.</p><p>Sure you wil see young people participating to the debate as never... </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]></description>
    <author>Maitresinh</author>
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    <title>A real danger ! by Maitresinh</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/555/#comment708</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>il faut le dire a Jacques Delors dans ce cas, pas &agrave; moi, la proposition etant de lui.</p><p><em>You should tell it to Jacques Delors, it's his idea.<br /></em></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Quand je parle de &quot;presidentialisation&quot;, c'est inexact. En realit&eacute;, c'est bien le parlement europeen qui elit le pr&eacute;sident...sauf qu'a la difference d'aujourd'hui, si les partis politiques presentent explicitement leur candidats, le choix du parlement sera legimit&eacute; par les elections europeennes aupres du peuple. Choix que le Conseil sera oblig&eacute; de respecter.</p><p><em>&nbsp;</em></p><p><em>In fact, it's not realy a &quot;presidentialisation&quot;. It's still the parliament who is chosing the president. The main difference is that the Council will have to respect his decision if the people has vote directly to legitimate the parliament's choice.</em></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Le vrai et seul danger qui existe est donc celui la : permettre au parlement d'affirmer pleinement sa legitimit&eacute;....</p><p><em>the true danger is this one : give the parliament&nbsp; the possiblity to take over the Council</em></p><p>J'ajouterai un point : les grands vaincqueurs des elections europeennes sont regulierement les abstentionnistes ( 60 % et plus) . L'europe a besoin d'etre incarn&eacute;e. Le second danger est donc de passer de 60 % &agrave; 30 % d'abstention...&nbsp;</p><p><em>There is another one danger :&nbsp; making people more interested in Europe, par giving her a face, and increasing participation from 40 % to 60 % and more </em></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Enfin, le roisieme et dernier danger est peu etre le plus effrayant :&nbsp; en presentant chacun un candidat europeen, les partis creeraient une unit&eacute; paneuropeenne de fait dans les d&eacute;bats, qui ne seraient plus nationaux (le candidat du parti concern&eacute; etant lui meme un europeen non national). On risquerait donc de sortir du cadre national pour commencer a avoir un reel espace public Europeen.</p><p><em>&nbsp;But the most frightening with this is certainly that, by presenting in each country a non-native, it would create a real paneuropean debate, for the first time.</em></p><p>C'est vrai, &ccedil;a fait froid dans le dos.</p><p>Il vaut mieux oublier cette id&eacute;e de Jacques Delors... &nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><em>You're right, it's really dangerous.</em></p><p><em>We'd better forget this strange idea from Delors.&nbsp;</em></p>]]></description>
    <author>Maitresinh</author>
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    <title>Pas convaincu by Martin2</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/555/#comment707</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>Il me semble dangereux de pr&eacute;sidentialiser les insitutions europ&eacute;ennes. Ne vaut-il pas mieux que le pr&eacute;sident (de la commission) soit &eacute;lu par le parlement? </p><p>It seems dangerous to &quot;presidentialise&quot; (ie give more and more power to one person) the european institutions. Is it not the role of th parlement to choose the president (of the commission)? </p><p>&nbsp; </p>]]></description>
    <author>Martin2</author>
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    <title>Pour une contribution by Martin2</title>
    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:33:28 +0100</pubDate>
    <link>http://manifesto2009.pes.org/en/european-democracy-and-diversity/post/574/#comment706</link>
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>L'id&eacute;e d'une contribution th&eacute;matique courte et pr&eacute;cise sur ces &eacute;lections me para&icirc;t tr&egrave;s interessante.</p><p>Par contre, est-il obligatoire que le chef de la commission&eacute;mane du parlement europ&eacute;en?</p>]]></description>
    <author>Martin2</author>
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